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MinPin is S.CA / IMPS - 12 Sept
--- CA MinPin Update - 15 Sept
--- CA MinPin Update - 16 Sept
--- CA MinPin Update - 17 Sept
--- CA MinPin Update - 18 Sept
--- Red is ready to trot - 18 Sept
--- Red Update - 18 Sept
--- Red is Safe & Sound with Sabrina now - 19 Sept
--- Red's First Outing - 19 Sept
--- Red's Pic - 19 Sept
--- Red Update (Jeanese) - 19 Sept
--- Red Update (Sabrina) - 20 Sept
--- RED Update - 23 Sept
--- RED Update - 24/25 Sept
--- RED Update + pic - 26 Sept
--- Red's new home - 27 Sept
--- Red's new old home - 27 Sept
--- Red Update - 28 Sept
--- Red Update - 28 Sept
--- Red/Rusty & IMPS Angel Wings Page - 5 Oct
--- RED Update - 17 Oct
--- Red's Page - 18 Oct

MinPin is S.CA / IMPS

Sat, 12 Sep 1998 09:54:16 EDT - from Melissa, via Susan

Hi Susan!,

Another little boy needing a home:

Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 11:54:28 -0700
Subject: S.Cal. PB Min Pin 6 mo. old male needs home

A vet near downtown Los Angeles has a pure bred red six-month-old (or so) Miniature Pinscher for adoption.

Here are the particulars on the dog: Owner came in with dog and abandoned it. Dog fell out of a window and broke a bone (which vet repaired), docked the tail and cropped the ears at the request of the client. Client abandoned dog and puppy is at the vet's hospital.

The vet would like to recoup some of his expenses. He would like to recouperate $300.00 of his expenses. The dog will be neutered prior to placement.

Please e-mail if you are interested. Vet is open during the week and half a day on Saturdays. He is only asking for a portion of what the bill is. He would like to place this dog in a loving and happy home.

Sat, 12 Sep 1998 09:55:58 -0500 - from Terri

Here you go guys.......Go For It !!!!!!


-----Original Message-----
Sent: Saturday, September 12, 1998 9:50 AM
To: Mark & Terri Snider
Subject: Re: Little red min pin

Oh, thank you for your swift response. The dog belongs to a vet I know who did the leg surgery, cropped the ears, docked the tail, and will neuter the dog prior to placement.

He is safe where he is right now, unless you want to foster him yourself. He is at Huntington Park Dog and Cat Hospital. The vet's name is Dr. Ben Alegado. His assistant's name is a man named Adrian. The phone number is listed in the phone book. I have his business card in the car. He is located in the 213 or new 323 area code by calling 213/555-1212. I'm sorry. I am so late that I don't have time to go to the car to get the number. If you get stuck, I can get the number for you later.

Late for work. Hope you understand. The dog is a cute min pin. He is darling and sweet, of course.

Sat, 12 Sep 1998 12:09:38 EDT - from Sabrina

Terri and fellow listers, this e mail went to christy who works for the irvine animal shelter. she is the one who placed the ad on the message boards. the vet will hold the dog and not just give it away to anyone. he is waiting for christy to help find it a good home. i spoke with her on the telephone today. christy works 30 minutes away from me, so if the need arises, i can easily get the dog from her to foster. but i think liz had a response from anaheim, ca which is 30 min away also. the logistics are perfect. christy is having the dog neutered this week, so if the anaheim family is approved, then they could have him later this week.

the dog has been there for at least 2 weeks because by law the vet has to send a certified letter trying to notify the owner. the owners dropped the dog off to have ears cropped and tail done, then abandoned him.

Sat, 12 Sep 1998 13:44:43 EDT - from Sabrina

hi all, the family that liz informed me about that lives in anaheim, ca have already gotten a min pin. so if there is anyone out there interested please contact me.

Tue, 15 Sep 1998 11:39:45 EDT - from Sabrina

hi, i contaced norma cacka the calif. min pin rescue rep. she is going to call the vet, notify pam stevens and marlene sosa, two other rescuers in calif. hopefully this litte guy will find a home. norma has at least on prospect now, they live in northern calif. she is going to meet with her rescue group soon also.

hopefully, we can get this little guy a home. sabrina
gotta rush off to work now.

Wed, 16 Sep 1998 12:24:42 EDT - from Sabrina

hi all,
i spoke to the vet this morning about "RED" that's his name. He will take $250 for the dog. red has already been neutered. Jeanesse who lives in washington is interested, but wanted to know about payments. the vet will not take payments.

if jeaneese can work something out, i will foster Red until we can get him flown up to her. Red has been at the vets for two months!!! oh i feel so badly for him!!
hopefully we can place him soon. sabrina

Wed, 16 Sep 1998 12:26:25 EDT - from Sabrina

I also spoke to Norma and she has not been able to contact pam stevens or marlens sosa. i e mailed marlene but have not had a reply. I don't think Norma will be able to help. she cannot pay for the dog and wait to be reimbursed.


Wed, 16 Sep 1998 18:16:27 -0400 (EDT) - from Petie

Good work Sabrina ! I figured the vet would listen to reason or at least come to his senses.
Jeaneese if he won't take payments I can front the money and you can work out payments with me.
Now lets figure out how to get him there.

Wed, 16 Sep 1998 21:27:37 EDT - from Jeanese

You guys are so great, Anita Peoples offered $100.00 toward the rescue of this little guy, I appreciate that and your offer. I was telling Sabrina that we had an unexpected car repair today, so it would be minimum of 2 weeks before I could do anything. Thanks so much for helping out, I appreciate it.


Thu, 17 Sep 1998 07:43:12 EDT - from Sabrina

hi all, i emailed christy telling her we have a home for Red. but she is worried about him flying. so anyone with experience with flying dogs, could you please e mail her and assure her? her e mail is

now, if there is any way we can transport him by car, i need all the help i can get too. what if christy doesn't want him flying at all and won't let us get him????

i could pick him up this weekend to foster if everything gets settled by saturday.

Fri, 18 Sep 1998 07:15:20 EDT - from Sabrina

hi all, well jeanesse is getting Red and hopefully i will get to pick him up this weekend and get him out of that cage asap. hopefully he will fly out to jeanesse next weekend. I can't wait to see the little guy and bring him home for some love and attention. with being caged up for 2 months, no telling what kind of dog he is.

Fri, 18 Sep 1998 13:27:32 -0400 (EDT) - from Petie

Hi all,
I just spoke to Dr Ben Alegado the vet in LA who has Red and he is all paid for. The nice Dr took plastic which made it much easier as I was worried about getting him a check by the week end. He was very nice and totally intrigued that I lived in NYC, the dog was going to Washington State and Sabrina lived an hour away.....I explained it all to him and he still could hardly believe it. He asked me to thank everyone and said it made his day:-)

Fri, 18 Sep 1998 20:12:23 EDT - from Sabrina

hi all,
I get to pick Red up tomorrow morning!!! I am so excited! Petie handled the financial arrangements with the vet today and christy is bringing Red home with her tonite and i will meet her tomorrow morning by 7:00 to get the little guy.

i think pepper will like him but bebe might be jealous. pepper will have another little boy to play with. hope this is a smooth transition. my first foster!! this will be my first adventure to an airport by myself too!! guess i am branching out in my old age. ha ha. i will let you all know how Red is doing in tomorrow's e mail.

Jeanesse and i will get the travel arrangements settled this weekend.

Fri, 18 Sep 1998 21:15:52 EDT - from Wendy

Don't get excited!LOL I mailed Sabrina with the times and flight numbers to get the puppy to Seattle.It is only a 2 1/2 hour flight, direct from San Diego on Alaska Airlines(They bought out Northwest Airlines).They have a counter to counter service called Gold Seal that only costs $105.00 and this is how they are sending him. I told them all about Health Certificates etc so he should be with Jeanese pretty soon. It was wonderful of you to help them out with the VET. I told them the least he could do is give them a Health Certificate for him to fly.Lets hope all goes well with all our rescues.

Red is safe and sound with sabrina

Red... Sent by Sabrina, 19 Sept
For more pics of Red, go to Sabrina's Foster Dogs

Sat, 19 Sep 1998 11:58:31 EDT - from Sabrina

Hi all,
well, i have had an adventure this morning. I went to meet Christy to pick up Red. He is all legs, tall and gangly, kind of skinny i can see his ribs. At 6 mo.s old he is as big as bebe and pepper already, but thin, I think he is going to be a BIG boy. I don't know what the vet was feeding him so I am feeding him pepper's food. It's Nutros Regular with some canned food mixed in.

So far Red has had a bath. Sorry Red, you had to have it cus you smelled!!! (He peed on himself in the crate) He didn't like the bath, had me and everything else soaking wet by the time we were done.

I fed him at the same time as bebe and pepper and all went well. I put bebe and pepper with their food in the regular spot and put red with his food on the other side. He ate like he was starving. I am surprised Bebe and Pepper let him eat in peace.

Bebe got a drink of water and Red decided he wanted a drink too. Bebe just let him drink. I was so proud of her.

They have been circling each other and running around checking each other out. They are all fitting in pretty well. Red is running around with leaps of joy. He can't get over all this new freedom.

He must be the pure red because pepper looks beige brown next to him. I already have his health certificate, rabies cert and vaccination records.

He is already a loving dog. he knows his name. i talk to him and he seems to know it. he doesn't mind getting up on my lap and when he barks and i tell him No he seems to listen. He keeps coming up to me at the computer and seems to want in my lap. i may have to get his nails clipped. they are so long they curl under and when he wants my attention, they are scraping me.

I might take him to pet smart today to get the crate, a collar and leash. He is really being playfull with bebe and pepper. I am so glad about this. Jeanesse is getting a good little dog.

Now for my other adventure of the morning.
The girl who i got Red from, Christy, found and abandoned pit bull puppy. she kept him at her house last night. the animal shelter that she works for will not let her bring in strays. and she didn't want to take it to another shelter because Irvine is less apt to euthanize. so I had to take the pit bull with me too, go to a gas station and call the police to report the lost puppy. In the mean time the puppy did a big ol' poop in the back seat and started to chew my sheepskin seat covers.
The police came in 5 minutes and they will take him to the shelter that Christy works at so all will be well. That was the cutest puppy!!
It's a good thing I work for kimberly clark paper products because i had a stock of baby wipes and paper towels in the car. (we get that stuff free all the time) they sure came in handy this morning.

well gotta go. i have to take red to get is nails clipped if i can get him in and buy him some presents!!! i will post more later.

Red's first outing

Sat, 19 Sep 1998 13:13:41 EDT - from Sabrina

hi all,
Red has had his first outing to Pet Smart. I got him the crate for the flight and a royal blue collar, harness and leash and a chew bone. Also had his nails cut at pet smart. still sharp though!!! :-(

he was such a good boy. for being caged up for so long i thought he might have some problems. he likes everything and everyone so far. you can tell he isn't used to getting walked because on the leash he is like a yo yo. but then bebe and pepper are too. LOL!! He is a good traveler in the car. i had him in the crate when i picked him up from christy. didn't even wimper. for the trip to pet smart he sat in the front seat like a good boy.

he seems to mind too. i tell him NO then it's like he's coming over to apoligize. after i tell him no, he comes right over to me and starts pawing at me for affection.
He's such a good boy!!!! Jeanesse will be so happy.

wonder what will happen when "daddy" gets home. i think bebe and pepper might be jealous then.
will keep ya posted, sabrina

Sat, 19 Sep 1998 18:21:28 EDT - from Jeanese

Hi All,
I got through all the e-mails that sabrina posted today regarding "our" little boy. I'm glad she is taking such great care of him.

I'm also glad to hear that the dogs are not tearing each other apart, because this little guy will have a brother and sister when he gets here too. It sounds as though he will probably be bigger than my two, Sammy, 2 years, about 7 lbs and Sunny, 1 year, about 6 lbs. So he should be able to hold his own. My two are black and rust, so a red dog will be a good addition. I'm planning on getting one of those connectors that will walk three dogs on one leash. Red (although I may change that, what does everyone think?) can be in the middle because he is bigger and a different color, it should look pretty cool.

Wendy Boyette was nice enough to help with airline reservations, so I'm going to make Red's flight reservations tonight, he should be leaving San Diego at 8:30AM next Sunday and arriving in Seattle at 11:13AM. He will be traveling counter to counter on Alaska Airlines. So Sabrina gets to love this little one up for a week, I hope this goes well for her, it sounds as though it's off to a good start.

Thank you all for you good wishes and support regarding Red and his journey into his "new life." I couldn't have done it this quickly without your help.

I'll post later as things progress.

Jeanese, Samson and Sunshine (who have not clue one whats going to happen to their world next Sunday)

Sun, 20 Sep 1998 09:39:32 EDT - from Sabrina

hi jeanesse, and fellow listers,
Red had a good night. I was really worried about what would happen at beddy bye time. Red didn't want to stay on the bed (and we have a high dual king bed for the 4 of us!) so I put him in his crate. was worried he would whine or bark. Nope, not a peep all night long. I can't get over how good he is. Hubby even commented on how good he was in the crate.

All dogs went potty at midnight. Red doesn't know any words yet except NO, but I am trying to teach him Potty. He doesn't want to go outside much at night. I put him out at 5:00 this morning and he was pawing at the door to come right back in. a little later i noticed that he might want to go potty so I put him out. Lo and behold yes he did have to go!!!

He has taken over Bebe and Pepper's dog bed. I put him in it yesterday afternoon and he loves it. stayed in it almost all the time till bed time. This morning pepper was in the bed and red was eyeing him for it. but bebe and pepper wanted to go in the living room so red ended up getting the bed all to himself. he is cuddled in the bed right beside me at the computer at my feet.

He is so loving. he paws at you to get in your lap. Today all of us are going on a walk together. That will be fun.

I just can't get over how good he is. Have to keep saying it!!! No problems for being caged up for so long.

Thu, 24 Sep 1998 10:43:19 EDT - from Sabrina

hi everyone, just an update on how Red is doing. He is fitting in well around here. Pepper seems to get irritated with him. Maybe it's because they're both males? I thought Bebe would be the one that wouldn't like another dog in the house. It isn't too bad though. mostly when Red is getting jealous of bebe or pepper. then pepper gets mad at him. Yes Red is already jealous.

He is even sleeping in the bed with us now. The first two nights he was in his crate. not even a wimper out of him. Then the first night in the bed he was in the bed most of the night then got antsy so he went in the crate. Last night he slept in the bed all night with us and was such a good boy.

Hubby is attached already. wants to keep him. Sorry, hubby, you had your chance!!! Plus i just don't want to have 3 dogs in a condo. He's the happiest little guy. Loves Bebe and Pepper's fleece dog bed and all their toys. Loves to fetch a ball or squeek toy. He paws at me and wants in my lap and looks at me with those EYES. I just melt.The only time he barks is when he is jealous.

Jeanesse and her family will be getting a very special dog. I think Red will fit into their family well. Sunday will be a sad day for me but a happy one for Jeanesse.

MIRACLES OF MIRACLES!! Red and Pepper are in the dog bed together. I love it.

Thu, 24 Sep 1998 19:16:10 EDT - from Jeanese

Thanks for the e-mail regarding Red. I can't wait untill he get here. I caught one hell of a cold and am feeling miserable!!!!


Fri, 25 Sep 1998 11:45:49 EDT - from Sabrina

hi jeanesse, red will make you feel all better when you see him. I have been crying even though i know he will have a good home. it's funny how quick you get attached to pets. the 2nd day i loved him. robert loves him too. but when something happens to one of my dogs I'm going to TRY to only have one after that.

Red knows how to sleep in the bed now. so i don't know if you will have him in the bed or not, but he is good in the bed. tomorrow my friend and i are taking all 3 dogs on a walk and I'm going to get some film so she can take some pics of me and red and the dogs.

Sat, 26 Sep 1998 21:58:53 EDT - from Sabrina

hi all, well tomorrow is the sad day when i have to take Red to the airport. I had some good pics taken today and they are posted on my fosters page. enjoy!! sabrina

Sabrina's Foster Dogs


Sun, 27 Sep 1998 22:09:33 -0400 - from Dawn

Hey list -

Well, some interesting things have happened over the past day and both parties wanted me to report it to you. Here's the scoop - Everyone knew it was tough on Sabrina to send Red to his new home. Jeanese felt absolutely so miserable about Sabrina and Robert and the pain they were going through having to give up Red. After a couple of ICQ chats and a telephone call or two, the decision was made by Jeanese and her husband to give Red to Sabrina.

The pain on both sides for Jeanese and Sabrina is unthinkable, but, the question was asked, What was best for Red. Obviously Sabrina had fallen in love with her first foster and was heartbroken over the loss. She had the courage though to live up to her side of the bargain and send him to his new home even though her heart felt otherwise. Jeanese felt that she was taking Red because there were no other offers for homes and she wanted to do her part by giving him one. She too loves little Red and the decision to send him back was a very long HARD one to make. She and her husband thought that he would be better off in the home that loved him first.

I think both of them deserve Angel wings for loving Red enough to see through the pain and make a decision for the little rascal that steals humans hearts. Please help Jeanese through her loss and welcome Red to Sabrina and Roberts Min Pin Menagerie.

I don't think Red knows how lucky he is.....

Dawn - The teary eyed mediator

Sun, 27 Sep 1998 22:53:08 EDT - from Jeanese

Hi Everyone,

This whole thing has been verrrrrrrrry hard on me. I think I will be lurking for awhile while I try and get my emotions in control. I am sending the donation money to Petie this week and if I happen to recieve anymore checks, I will forward them to her. Thanks for everyone's support. This was one of the hardest decisions I have ever had to make!!! Red will be very loved in his home.

Jeanese (sad and on the verge of tears)

Mon, 28 Sep 1998 11:15:37 EDT - from Sabrina

Hi all,
you all do not know all of the agonizing pain Jeanesse and I have gone through over Red. Yesterday she and I were in tears all day long. Her because she was worried about My pain. Me because i just missed Red. I gave up Red because he was her dog not mine. The morning of the flight she called to ask me if i was sure I wanted to let Red go. It was too late though, because we were already home from the airport.

We chatted online when Red got to her house and we both were still in misery. Then Dawn called Jeanesse on the phone to decipher her true feelings on the matter. Yes Jeanesse wanted to keep Red but was mostly worried about me. I said ok Red will stay with Jeanesse with my blessings.

In the end Jeanesse and her husband decided I might have the better home in the long run for 3 dogs because of our lifestyles.

The both of us have gone through hell and back over this decision. I feel liked i failed at my first and only rescue attempt. needless to say, my short rescue career is over. I cannot do it. I really feel that i am the bad guy here. Jeanesse is a special lady who is truly concerned about my feelings.

We both loved Red enough to give him back to each other, and that is the bottom line.
I hope you all can understand this whole mess. And won't be too hard on me.

Mon, 28 Sep 1998 12:01:16 EDT - from Jeanese


Red is at the airport waiting to go home, he didn't want to get into his crate, infact it was on the scale and he tipped it trying to get out. I had to take him out and get everything set again. That gave me a chance to kiss him goodbye, I didn't do that the first time I put him in the crate. He slept in my arms last night... Please take good care of him and at any point if you cannot keep him please send him back to me. My male was getting used to him this morning, but my female was still pretty upset that he was here. That cat was ready to move out : )

Please send me some good pictures via snail mail. If you could enlarge one to 5x7 that would be most appreciated, I want to frame it. Please don't forget to do this.

Please let me know how he is doing today once he gets there, he was pawing at his left (I beleive) ear this morning so please keep an eye on it.

I kept his bone tag, I figured there was no use sending it back, plus I wanted it.

Still in agonizing pain over this decision.


Mon, 28 Sep 1998 19:50:50 EDT - from Sabrina

hi all, Red is back home and bebe and pepper seemed to accept him right away again. they have all been pretty darn mellow today. All 3 are konked out right now. Red is in bebe and pepper's dog bed. he seemed to take over the bed from the beginning!!!

He has even shared his doggie bones that jeanesse sent home with him.

I am renaming him Rusty. it is the only masculine name i can think of for a red male dog. if anyone has any suggestions for a name, i would love to hear them.

Mon, 28 Sep 1998 20:48:51 EDT - from Sabrina

hi all, i will not be changing Red's name after all. He will be Little Red or Lil' Red.

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Mon, 5 Oct 1998 11:14:02 EDT - from Sabrina

hi listers,

after a week of deciding to rename Red to Rusty, I think i will finally do it. He just does not look like a Red to me and the name Red doesn't have any personality. It is kind of sad to rename him especially after the whole "Red Saga" but i have to call him this name for many many years and i think we will be happy with Rusty.
Rusty is a happy sounding name.

i have also updated lucky's, lister's, and rusty's pictures on the imps post card page, and added scrappy and sassy. there are so many new rescues and i need pictures! these are a few of the dogs i need pics of:
and is ms. pin a rescue also?
i know there are others also. any of you out there please send me the pics when you get some. thanks, sabrina

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Sat, 17 Oct 1998 18:07:41 EDT - from Sabrina

hi all,
Red had his heartworm test today, negative thank goodness. he will start the preventative nov. 1 along with bebe and pepper. he has gained 2 pounds already! in two weeks! he still looks boney though. you can still see his ribs and he has a really boney butt. He also got microchipped. It was 25.00 for the microchip and i have to send in 12.00 for the lifetime registration. I feel better since i have him chipped. now i need to get bebe and pepper done.

took him to pet smart and he was acting like bebe. he barked at another dog and at a lady. his hair was standing up. don't know why he was barking at them, they were minding their own business! That's a min pin for ya. but i hope he isn't going to be that kind of dog because bebe is a terrorist.

He hasn't gotten the hang of letting us know when he has to go "out" yet. we just let him out alot. we tell him "potty" at the door then let him out. he goes outside fine, but still goes inside without letting us know he wants to go out. I keep him in the kitchen if he hasn't been out for awhile, and if he has been out and pottied, he can run around the house for awhile. I put him back and forth until i get to where i can trust him.

He is giving bebe and pepper a run for their money. mostly pepper, maybe cus pepper is another boy. he wants to wrestle and play but pepper is a big couch potatoe!!! Red and bebe seem to get along a little better. But all 3 are settling in pretty darn good. Red is just acting like the puppy that he is!!!

Two things i have noticed since we got Red - bebe and pepper used to potty in the kitchen area that i block off for them when i went to work. now bebe and pepper don't potty anymore but red does. i know because bebe and pepper used to go on this special towel i kept in there for them. and red has his own area that he goes. maybe bebe and pepper realize now that it is not cool to go potty in there!!!

also, bebe most always had to go potty about 1:30 - 2:00 am now she lasts through the night. ever since she started taking phenobarbital for her seizures i think it made her have to go potty more. but since we got Red, she lasts the night. Red lasts the whole night too and that is a good thing. just two things i have noticed since we got red.

We just love him to death, he is a good lovable little guy. i love his adoring eyes. his eyes are unusual. do most red min pins have the gold eyes?
sabrina, bebe, pepper and red.

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Sun, 18 Oct 1998 22:57:40 EDT - from Sabrina

hi all,
Red has custom border backgrounds on his pages now. my friend made them for me from his photos. please visit his site. i know some of you are having trouble getting to his site.
the url is:
or the link: My Min Pin Red

i have made a separate page as a photo gallery and took most all of the pics off of the main page. there is a link to it on the main page.

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